Jun 20, 2023
00:00:00 Francisco
I really believe that there is a
positive benefit when our administrators, when our faculty, when
our staff represent the students that we serve. It's a positive
educational benefit to the student, to the individual, and to the
institution.
00:00:12 Francisco
And we have a long ways to go in
equity and diversifying our workforces in a variety of areas.
Women, folks of color, LGBTQ, veterans as examples of where we can
do better. And that's something that our district is unapologetic
about, and hopefully others can get on board to do the same because
who's in charge matters.
00:00:38 Christina
The workforce landscape is rapidly
changing, and educators and their institutions need to keep up.
Preparing students before they enter the workforce to make our
communities and businesses stronger is at the core of getting an
education. But we need to understand how to change and adjust so
that we can begin to project where things are headed before we even
get there. So, how do we begin to predict the
future?
00:01:01 Salvatrice
Hi, I'm Salvatrice Cummo, Vice
President of Economic and Workforce Development at Pasadena City
College and host of this podcast.
00:01:09 Christina
And I'm Christina Barsi, producer of
this podcast.
00:01:12 Salvatrice
And we are starting the conversation
about the future of work. We'll explore topics like how education
can partner with industry, how to be more equitable, and how to
attain one of our highest goals, more internships and PCC students
in the workforce.
00:01:27 Salvatrice
We at Pasadena City College want to
lead the charge in closing the gap between what our students are
learning and what the demands of the workforce will be once they
enter. This is a conversation that impacts all of
us.
00:01:41 Christina
We believe change happens when we
work together, and it all starts with having a conversation. I'm
Christina Barsi.
00:01:48 Salvatrice
And I'm Salvatrice Cummo, and this
is the Future of Work.
00:01:54 Salvatrice
Hi everyone, and welcome back to the
Future of Work Podcast, I am your host, Salvatrice Cummo. Today,
we'll learn about the Los Angeles Community College District and
strides that are being taken to better the community colleges. We
will also discuss community colleges at a national level and how we
can better support our students.
00:02:14 Salvatrice
With that said, we would like to
welcome Dr. Francisco Rodriguez, Chancellor of the Los Angeles
Community College District, the largest community college district
in the nation with nine accredited colleges and over 200,000
student enrollments.
00:02:29 Salvatrice
Appointed in 2014, Dr. Rodriguez has
raised the district's profile and built its national reputation as
an outstanding urban community college district to study and work.
A noted scholar, practitioner, an educator, activist, Dr.
Rodriguez, has 30 plus years of experience as an educator, faculty
member and administrator within the California Public Higher
Education.
00:02:56 Salvatrice
Dr. Rodriguez has dedicated his
career to high quality public education and championing equity,
inclusion, diversity, and outreach to under resourced communities.
With that said, we are super excited to have you with us today, Dr.
Rodriguez, thank you.
00:03:15 Francisco
Hi, Salvatrice, happy to be
here.
00:03:17 Salvatrice
Thank you, well, I'm always curious
about someone's journey, and so I think it's really important to
start there. And with over the 30 years of experience that you've
had as an educator in higher ED, how did you get here and why is it
still important to you?
00:03:33 Francisco
Well, thank you for that question,
it's wonderful to reflect on the journey that is coming up on a few
years on four decades on the California higher education landscape.
When I say, yeah, I began my professional work in the previous
century, people kind of trip out, it's a long time, but it's
actually true.
00:03:50 Francisco
I think the first thing I'd like to
say, and I share this with my students and those who I work with,
particularly as we have commencements and whatnot coming up. And
that is my life did not begin the day I was born.
00:04:02 Francisco
Now, so many of us, we are the hope,
the dream, the manifestation of people who came before us who
sacrificed, who deferred their own dreams, Salvatrice, so that
people like you and I could be afforded these incredible positions
of responsibility, obligation, and authority.
00:04:18 Francisco
And I'm a child of factory workers
and of campesinos of farm workers before then in rural Mexico. So,
this idea of education was a pretty powerful one that was instilled
in me some time ago. So, the first thing I like to say when I think
about the journey is to give reverence and respect to those who
toiled, literally toiled in factories and in fields so that I can
be in a air conditioned heated office with the responsibilities
that I have.
00:04:46 Francisco
But it was first generation student,
like so many of our community college students, English language
learner, like so many of our students, an immigrant, like again, so
many of our students. And those for me are value added experiences
that has helped me focus on the responsibilities that I
had.
00:05:03 Francisco
When I was coming up, I enjoyed
science, enjoyed math, enjoyed that. So, I went to UC Davis as a
civil engineering major and thought that that was going to be my
path forward.
00:05:14 Francisco
But soon discovered through a
tutoring job that I loved tutoring. This idea, not just the action
of tutoring, Salvatrice, but the idea that I was helping someone
improve their lives. And pretty soon when I was tutoring through
our engineering club, our Chicano Engineers club, I discovered that
the students had their homework done, but they would just come in
and hang out.
00:05:36 Francisco
So, then I learned this idea of
mentorship, this idea of being a role model, and I never really saw
myself as that before. I was trying to handle my own business, let
alone support others. So, that interest got me in a career path in
education, I had a work-study job, doing outreach and
recruitment.
00:05:55 Francisco
And then I stayed on that path,
changed my major in my fourth year, and got an additional year of
study and then went on to work at the university for a dozen years
in outreach, recruitment, student leadership development and equity
work, so that's how I began my career.
00:06:09 Francisco
And it wasn't until I determined
after 12 years at the university , that community college life
would be one for me. And I had the opportunity to go to a very
small rural college not far from the university in second in
command, which means I was in charge of curriculum, student
services, which I really enjoyed and really had, had some
familiarity with and things like air conditioners and parking lots.
And when you're in charge of air conditioners in Yolo County,
you're kind of a big person on campus.
00:06:37 Salvatrice
That's right.
00:06:38 Francisco
So, I learned every inch of how a
campus breathes, the operations of an institution, the academic
blood that flows through its veins, the curriculum work, the
student support services, technology, and all the things that after
six years, I was given an opportunity to leave Woodland Community
College , where I served as executive dean, now president, and to
serve at the Cosumnes River College as its president. A wonderful
college in the Los Rios District in Sacramento.
00:07:09 Francisco
And enjoyed that work for many
years, about six years until the MiraCosta Community College
District was looking for a new superintendent president. And I
raised my hand and left the area, came here to Southern California
and had a wonderful experience there as well.
00:07:26 Francisco
And then LACCD, was looking for a
chancellor. And this district had had many chancellors over the
years, and I'd never thought that I would land here or be a part of
this, but it's sort of full circle. Being born and raised in San
Francisco, I have urban tendencies and urban desires, if you will,
and urban proclivities, and this is that.
00:07:45 Francisco
So, I begin my 10th year tomorrow. I
began June 1st, 2014. So, an accidental leader, and I know that's
not about today, but you have to be ready for opportunity. And I
share with our students, if you stay ready, you don't have to get
ready. So, I've just tried to stay ready through my education and
look forward to opportunities as they present themselves. Never
look too far ahead, focusing on being present and engaged and doing
good work.
00:08:10 Francisco
And fortunately, I've landed some
excellent opportunities in working with smart people that have
allowed this thing called education to manifest
itself.
00:08:20 Francisco
So, yeah, it's long ways from the
Mission District, but not so far away in terms of my hopes and my
interests in this work. I've never lost a fire, I just haven't, I
believe in what we do and I know you do too as well.
00:08:29 Francisco
And we get a chance to afford this
tool called education to everyone. It's the most egalitarian, most
humanitarian thing I can think of to afford someone an education
that can improve their lives.
00:08:45 Francisco
So, yeah, I still enjoy the work, I
still get up and ready to roll, get my sleeves up and work. It's
not a point in command position, it's a working position, and I
like that.
00:08:56 Salvatrice
Thank you, similar stories. I mean,
I think that what pulls and what tugs us to really continue to do
this work, as you mentioned earlier, is the accessibility to our
students education as our mobility tool. I too have very similar
experiences as first-gen, parents were farm workers, they came here
to this country working in factories. And so, education was, and
still is, what they have instilled in us and what they continue to
instill in our grandchildren and et cetera, et
cetera.
00:09:27 Salvatrice
And I think that the Los Angeles
Community College District is one that is so impressive and so
powerful and so influential and has provided those opportunities,
and what you just shared is what drives you and what drives me. And
so, I'd like to maybe lean into a little bit in sharing those who
may not know LACCD, what is LACCD, who is LACCD, what does LACCD
stand for? Maybe just a holistic view.
00:09:57 Francisco
Well, we're one of 72 community
college districts in the state of California and one of about 116
colleges that are served, and we serve nine of those 116. So, we're
the largest multi-college district in the state. We have over
200,000 student enrollments, as you mentioned at the beginning.
Each of the nine colleges are separately accredited in the United
States.
00:10:19 Francisco
That's not always the case with
places like Dallas and Miami with single accreditations. We have
nine separate accreditations that are on the single accreditation
cycle now. It's own programs and services and support and region
and service areas, if you will.
00:10:31 Francisco
But one governing board of seven
members that are elected throughout the 900 or so square mile
district that serves about 36 cities in unincorporated areas with
the density resident population of over 5 million. That's why it's
a very large district, and corner to corner it's 40, 50
miles.
00:10:50 Francisco
It's an urban district, suburban
district, we've got close to 10,000 employees. It's an opportunity
to really again, provide a two-year education to the
masses.
00:10:59 Francisco
Our mission, our goals are very
similar. We're one of 19 community college districts in Los Angeles
County, you're aware of that. And we all actually work together and
get along pretty well, the CEOs of the 19 schools. And we focus in
on things like equity, on workforce development, on economic
prosperity of our students.
00:11:17 Francisco
So, those are things that we come
together on things such as the Los Angeles Regional Consortium to
promote our student success.
00:11:24 Francisco
So, yeah, LACCD, it's a large
district, but it's the smallest, largest district, you'll find.
People here tend to move from college to college as they accelerate
in their careers and people find to make a full educational life
here, and I like that.
00:11:37 Francisco
Lots of folks have been here 30 and
40 years because they enjoy support and advocate for the mission of
providing education to those who are underserved. And we have quite
a few underserved students with over 50% of our students who live
in poverty. That remaining half, about half of those are the
working poor. 60 or so percent are first generation students, 35%
of our students are student-parents.
00:12:01 Francisco
And we have a student body that
reflects the most of enrollments in a whole variety of areas,
including former foster care, student veterans, students with
disabilities, undocumented students, just to say a few, and we're
proud of that.
00:12:17 Francisco
We're proud of that incredible rich
diversity for folks who are underserved. So, we know that we
provide an excellent and affordable, high quality education that
we're actually changing the lives of people and their families
intergenerationally, and that feels pretty good.
00:12:32 Salvatrice
Absolutely, there's a lot to be
proud of. There's certainly a lot to be proud of that the district
has been able to accomplish with the nine community colleges. And I
wonder if you'd be willing to share some of your current
priorities. There's so many successes and we can spend another hour
talking about the success of LACCD and their nine colleges. Are
there current priorities that you're interested in?
00:12:55 Francisco
Yes, and thank you for sharing and
recognizing that. It's true, our colleges do amazing work with the
communities that they serve. We're alike like the other 100 plus
colleges in the state of California with the singular focus on
student success, completions, persistence, retention, graduation,
outcomes, every single community college in the state. I would even
say the nation who's doing good work, are focused in on those kinds
of priorities, student success is the number one
goal.
00:13:22 Francisco
In addition to that, I would say
there are some things that we do in addition to that, we have a
very strong advocacy agenda for the state of California. We're
sponsors of four bills right now and a couple of budget requests in
the state of California, I can get into that. So, that's certainly
a priority for us to complete that.
00:13:38 Francisco
We've just completed the successful
passage of a local facilities bond last November. The public,
again, has entrusted us with their resources support, in this case
a 5.3 billion bond, which will completely transform the
infrastructure of all of our nine colleges for the next 50 years,
so we're very, very pleased about that. Salvatrice we're in the
middle of faculty hiring, for this fall we will hire 222 tenure
track faculty.
00:14:04 Francisco
Think about that for a minute, 222
newly minted tenure track faculty, and I'm very proud of that. And
my tenure alone of now going on 10 years, we've been able to
attract, hire, recruit and support almost 1100 of the 15, 1600
full-time faculty. So, it gives you the sense-
00:14:25 Salvatrice
That's amazing.
00:14:25 Francisco
Of the turnover, and I'm most proud
of that those faculty reflect our students in a much greater way.
More women, women in sciences in a much greater way and reflects
the racial ethnic diversity of our student body, so we're very,
very pleased about that.
00:14:39 Francisco
So, the faculty hiring class is
amongst our largest that we've ever had. We have a very strong
interest in College Promise as all of our local colleges do. And
because we know when students enroll two years tuition free and
receive all the wraparound support services, they get to college
level English, college level math quicker. They are retained
better, they persist greater, and they have greater educational
outcomes.
00:15:04 Francisco
And then the last thing I'd mention
in terms of priorities is that we're in the bachelor degree space
now. With the 15 initial programs that were approved, in the state
of California, we had one at West LA, the dental hygiene
program.
00:15:15 Francisco
We've now received approval for two
others, at La Valley College, respiratory Therapy, RT, and at West
LA again, the avionics program. And we have a couple others in the
queue that are moving forward, that are in the review stage of bio
manufacturing and LA mission and biotechnology over LA
Pierce.
00:15:34 Francisco
So, we're in the baccalaureate
degree space and we believe that that's good for California, to
bolt the local and regional economy and to give students who are
mostly place-bound, and you know this from your profession, our
profession, our students are place-bound, most of them. So, having
the opportunity to go local to receive a 4-year degree of less than
$11,000 total tuition is an amazing accomplishment when they can
have careers that pay seven times that coming out with their
degrees.
00:16:02 Salvatrice
That's amazing. You touched a little
bit upon the California Promise Program and if memory serves me
right, you're one of the principal architects of that program. And
you touched a little bit on its impact. What was first of all the
main driving force of the program, and then perhaps maybe talk a
little bit about its initial aspirations for impact and then where
we are now with impact.
00:16:27 Francisco
Okay. Well, let me start from the
top, I think we need to give a lot of credit to President Obama.
During his administration really declaring, with Vice President
Biden then this declaration that education through community
colleges would be affordable and accessible to every "person in
this country." So, we got on that, we believed that.
00:16:46 Francisco
And we had local opportunities that
we saw, certainly the Long Beach Promise and other local areas, but
we had not made this opportunity available at scale. And as you
know, some states adopted the College Promise Program, others
didn't. Others thought it was a financial drain, others thought it
was a financial investment.
00:17:02 Francisco
States, California, ultimately
through our sponsorship decided and with the great support of
assembly member Miguel Santiago, we put this law into place.
Through Governor Brown, first gave one year after we advocated,
pushed it through, got lots of support from around the state and
whatnot. And lots of advocates and lots of business colleagues
supported that. So, Governor Brown signed one year tuition free.
When Governor Newsom came immediately, second year tuition
free.
00:17:26 Francisco
So, lots of governmental support,
lots of state chancellor's office support and colleagues from
around the state that believed that this bill that we were
sponsoring would allow every Californian, Salvatrice, every
California in every zip code, in every station in life at any age,
if they attended a community college for the first time back then,
they could attend and enroll tuition free.
00:17:48 Francisco
Now, subsequently, we've supported
some work and others as well, that any student returning full-time,
not just first time, but if you're returning, you go full-time, two
years tuition free.
00:17:59 Francisco
And I like that because it really
is, again, the egalitarian mission that everyone can benefit. The
benefits have been amazing, it's not just tuition free, it's the
Summer Bridge Program, it's the tutoring, it's the embedded
tutoring. It's the Academic Enrichment activities, it's the
learning resources that are afforded to them. It's the computer,
the laptop, the positive mindset, the tools that these students
receive.
00:18:21 Francisco
And most of our students come from
LAUSD, although we have 11 other districts that we serve, they do
better. We just give a report to our board. They accelerate
quicker, their time to degree is shorter. They're getting to and
passing college level English and math is double digits points
higher than those who don't have that.
00:18:39 Francisco
So, enrolling full-time, we got
criticized for that and we stuck to it because I know from my
educational background and research and others full-time
commitment, I know it doesn't meet everyone's needs, I get that.
But a full-time commitment , suggests that you can get to your goal
line quicker. The longer you stay in school, actually, the worse
the statistic is that you actually complete. Time to degree is
essential and very rarely talked about.
00:19:07 Salvatrice
Right. Are there other advocacy
efforts that you're working on that either compliment the
California Promise Program or are there things that we should be
keeping an eye on?
00:19:16 Francisco
Yes, actually quite a bit. One is
the idea of continuing to advocate for DACA undocumented students
and a pathway to citizenship that really the larger federal
conversation impacts our students in California who enroll the most
undocumented students as a system, and we enroll the most as a
particular district. So, keeping attention to the national
immigration policy on DACA is important.
00:19:40 Francisco
Federal financial aid, Pell is an
important discussion. It still caters to students right out of high
school who are full-time. That's not who we are, that's not who our
community college students are. So, paying attention to federal
financial aid.
00:19:53 Francisco
Second Chance Pell for former
incarcerated students, is a tremendous opportunity for us to gain
space and advocacy and support for those who were formerly
incarcerated. And if those students go to college and we want them
to, they're going to come to our two-year segment.
00:20:08 Francisco
It's our obligation to provide them
a safe space to reintegrate themselves, to tool up, re-skill,
upskill and make them employable. Our economy and society indeed
depends on it.
00:20:20 Francisco
And even going back to undocumented
students, you may have seen that the University of California just
organized a work group that will allow undocumented students to be
paid on campus for on campus work. And that's really big because
they're too far, they can't work on whatnot, so that's really,
really big. We're paying a lot of attention to that as
well.
00:20:38 Francisco
And then lastly, maybe just the
broader larger conversation of the cost of attendance. That
continues to be … although we're a low cost provider in terms of
tuition, the cost of attendance is still high when you consider
textbooks, housing and other costs of attending a community college
is actually higher than some of our four-year counterparts when you
consider that, all the variables that are involved in attending
college.
00:21:05 Salvatrice
Sure. And as a system, are you
suggesting that perhaps these advocacy efforts that you've just
mentioned and paying attention to the pulse in those areas that you
just shared, are you suggesting that perhaps that those are ways
that we can better support our students entering the community
college and guiding that holistic support to guiding them through
graduation?
00:21:24 Salvatrice
Or might there be other things that
we need to be paying attention to as we enter this, perhaps not
policy-driven, but maybe more operationally, programmatically
driven in helping our students enter and succeed?
00:21:36 Francisco
Well, first, to make it easier to
actually enroll, the application process is still cumbersome, even
though it's been simplified. And our district carried the CCCApply
simplification, a few years ago, but it's still complicated. Try
it, it's not easy.
00:21:50 Salvatrice
I just had my daughter apply through
CCCApply.
00:21:55 Francisco
But then enrolling, you apply to a
system and then it goes to the college. And if you can't get a
class right away, when you're ready to enroll, you have to wait
sometimes to get an ID and it takes sometimes 24, 48 hours,
sometimes students lose interest. So, making it easier for
students, I think is important operationally.
00:22:10 Francisco
The other part too is, and this is
policy, if we could give more attention to credit for prior
learning, particularly for our veteran students, focusing on
work-based learning. There's a lot of discussion on that,
apprenticeships and whatnot. Not every student's going to go to the
four-year university transfer track. This idea of workforce is a
really important compliment and equal partner, in my view, to this
idea of preparing people for work. So, I think, equal and maybe
even more attention to that particular pathway is
important.
00:22:42 Francisco
And on the student services side, we
still are, I think, mired with trying to better understand student
basic needs. We were all part of the larger discussion on student
hunger, on homelessness, on students who are housing and food
insecure, and facilitating the transition for persons who were
severely impacted after the pandemic, who were dislocated, who were
indeed unemployed. Who need to be re-skilled or upskilled in the
current profession.
00:23:07 Francisco
Not everybody successfully navigated
this pandemic. I would maybe say it this way, Salvatrice, that
those who were connected to the internet, those who were employed,
those who were insured, those who were educated, those were the
individuals that actually could navigate it. Maybe it was
inconvenient, but if you were disconnected from the internet,
unemployed, uninsured, less educated and hungry or unhoused, you
did not navigate this very well.
00:23:35 Francisco
The bifurcation, the split between
survival and success, sometimes thin and sometimes great. So, I
would say it's our responsibility to make sure that students have
those tools, those basic needs, so they can be indeed successful.
It's still longer, I'll summarize it in this way, whether or not
the students are college ready or whether our colleges are student
ready.
00:23:58 Francisco
And the student ready is looking at,
as you mentioned, holistically, looking at the entire student. And
we're not funded for that necessarily. Although we've been given
lots of one-time support through the federal and state for mental
health and basic needs and all those really emerging needs that
were maybe always there, but we didn't have the resources to do
that. This gives us an opportunity to take stock, take inventory on
where we shepherd our resources so they can have the most impact on
the outcomes of our students.
00:24:27 Salvatrice
That's right, I really love that. As
a college student ready, that shouldn't apply just to us as
community colleges, that should apply to all higher education.
Because our landscape has changed, so the environment has changed,
everything has changed drastically.
00:24:42 Salvatrice
And speaking of which, thinking
about the student's basic needs, and now we're post pandemic
technically. Thinking about that, we've had enormous amount of
strides in our community college system as well within our own
respective districts. But if there was one thing that you would
say, you would say, "Salvatrice, there's really got to be this one
major change in our community college system that's really going to
make an impact," what would it be and why?
00:25:09 Francisco
Just one.
00:25:11 Salvatrice
Well, I mean, you're more than
welcome to provide more.
00:25:14 Francisco
You got my mind working here. Oh, I
mean, three things come to mind almost immediately.
00:25:19 Salvatrice
That's alright, let's talk about
it.
00:25:20 Francisco
Operational, but could have
profound, profound impact. And I'll say one that is now a state
law, but we haven't figured out, that's common course numbering
throughout the system, we don't have that. Now, we have some
articulation and numbers and that … system. So, there are ways to
try to do that, but it's still a little clunky and need some
work.
00:25:40 Francisco
So, if we could simplify,
streamline, and amplify the rich, prowess and impact of common
course memory throughout our system, it's better for students. It's
better for transferability, better for workplace, better for a
degree completion, better clarity.
00:25:54 Francisco
You recall 10, 15 years ago, our
students were taking twice as many units as they actually needed on
average. Which is during the time of rationing education, which we
did during the Great Depression, because difficult to have classes
that students need so they get the skills or transfer courses that
they need to move on. So, we're hopeful not headed towards that
again.
00:26:13 Francisco
But I would say, yeah, common course
numbering I'm a big fan of, operation it's tough. You leave it to
smart people like you to figure that out, but I would say that's
one.
00:26:24 Francisco
Next, I mentioned it earlier, I
really believe that there is a positive benefit when our
administrators, when our faculty, when our staff represent the
students that we serve. It's a positive educational benefit to the
student, to the individual, and to the institution.
00:26:38 Francisco
And we have a long ways to go on
equity and diversifying our workforces in a variety of areas.
Women, folks of color, LGBTQ, veterans as examples of where we can
do better. And that's something that our district is unapologetic
about, and hopefully others can get on board to do the same because
who's in charge matters.
00:27:00 Salvatrice
That's right, it
does.
00:27:02 Francisco
So, I'm emphatic about that because
we get to determine where the resources go, what you pay attention
to, how you govern, work with the board to solve the most pressing
societal issues and how education can be the tool of that
particular solution.
00:27:16 Francisco
Education is liberation, for so many
of our communities. Education is emancipation from all kinds of
social and societal ills. It is the greatest accelerant and
greatest determinant of social and economic mobility. So, this
opportunity that we afforded to the masses and to others who could
widely benefit and who could most benefit, is something that I'm
particularly proud of.
00:27:39 Francisco
Then maybe the last thing, and I
haven't figured this one out, this will take some time. I'd be
interested to hear thoughts on this.
00:27:46 Salvatrice
Sure.
00:27:46 Francisco
As a system, we haven't figured out
the right balance of online, in person and hybrid, it's all
experimental at the moment. Oh, students demand this, really? Well,
faculty want to do that, really? I mean, what's the right
appropriate balance? Is it meeting student needs?
00:28:00 Francisco
When we don't offer enough of one or
the other, we're looking for the sweet spot. We were about 80/20,
in person hybrid before the pandemic, now we're essentially 50/50.
I don't think that's the right balance, I really don't. Although
we're growing, I'm happy to report that we're up 15% this year, but
we were down the last two years horribly, 20 plus percent of our
enrollments, it's a lot of people.
00:28:26 Salvatrice
It's a lot of people.
00:28:27 Francisco
30, 40,000 students saying adios,
that's a lot of people. And mostly brown and black and female and
parents, just paused, they stopped out. And so, it's something that
we need to pay attention to.
00:28:38 Francisco
So, those are the magic wand. There
is no magic wand, but a common course numbering, diversifying our
faculty staff and administration and then finding the right balance
for the course modality that represents the student's interest and
one that accelerates their time to degree, I'm coming back to
that.
00:28:57 Francisco
We need to accelerate and support
that because if we decelerate either intentionally or
unintentionally, the student success rate drops and if we
disaggregate, it's even worse, we won't meet those equity gaps that
are pervasive and that have been pervasive for
decades.
00:29:14 Salvatrice
I would even go as far as say
reemerging the purpose of community colleges. You talked earlier
about accelerating their time, that wasn't in our vocabulary. We
wanted them to stay more traditionally, take more courses, do all
the things. And it's like, well no, we're now being a disservice to
our student. There's so much that can be said, there's so much that
can be unpacked.
00:29:38 Salvatrice
Those three things are definitely
complex. Those three major changes that you just shared involved,
intentional, deliberate work. I, for one sign up for all of it.
It's a passion of mine, I love being here, I love my job. I tell
anyone who will listen to me, I love my job, love it, love it, love
it, and would want to do more at scale.
00:29:57 Salvatrice
So, if there's ever a moment, I'm
bringing that out to you, if there's ever a moment where you want
to unpack those three major changes for the California Community
College system, happy to be a part of that.
00:30:07 Salvatrice
This is the Future of Work Podcast,
we are kind of coming close to our sensitive to this conversation.
I would not be doing my job well if I didn't ask you what's one
thing, one thing you'd want our listener to know about the future
of work, where we're headed and what they need to be paying
attention to.
00:30:26 Francisco
Let me give an institutional then
maybe a personal response. From institutional response, if there
are leaders of other organizations and higher education or other
businesses, the notion of being nimble, responsive, opportunistic,
and entrepreneurial, that is the definition of being
adaptive.
00:30:44 Salvatrice
Yes.
00:30:45 Francisco
So, those organizations that are not
nimble, responsive, opportunistic and entrepreneurial, adaptive,
run the risk of being irrelevant or less relevant is probably
better stated. These are things that I talk about with our
organization, with our college presidents, with our leaders here,
our board, about how we can continue to be just that. And some of
that involves calculated risk taking. Some of that involves
thinking out of the norm in doing some experimental or pilot stuff
to see if it indeed works. So, the impact, the role and definition
of AI, it's here.
00:31:18 Salvatrice
That's right, I'm so happy you
brought that up. Yeah.
00:31:23 Francisco
It's here, it will influence
everything. The student experience, the work experience, the
institutional ability to adapt. It could be innovative, supportive
and complimentary and supplemental and in some cases it will
supplant some of the work that we are doing.
00:31:38 Francisco
I think we need to be prepared for
both how it augments and simplifies and makes easier and educates
and cajoles and nudges, we have all those things that do that for
us now.
00:31:48 Francisco
But how it also will indeed,
purposely in a coordinated fashion, supplant some of the paperwork
and some of the archaic ways that we've done things. We've had
other revolutions in the past, industrial revolution, the
mechanization of many things, if you will. Well, we've transitioned
to a larger gig economy. I mean, this is another part of this
revolution and change that is here, it will not be
reversed
00:32:12 Francisco
So, getting students prepared for,
and how to master this, I think is going to be super important. I
read somewhere that there'll be almost a hundred million new jobs
created by AI by 2025 or something, it's a ridiculous number. And
then concurred to that, that AI is expected by the same time
period, just a few years from now to supplant and replace about 16%
of American jobs.
00:32:38 Francisco
So, how we implement that in a way
that's responsible, in a way that is at scale, so that we're not
all doing different things for the end user experience to improve,
I think that's something that we would all benefit from. So, that's
what I would say in terms of the future of work, technology is
here, AI is here. So, again, being adaptive, nimble, responsive,
opportunistic, entrepreneurial is the way forward.
00:33:05 Salvatrice
Very good, thank you so much, I've
learned a lot and I wish we could talk more. I do foresee a part
two to this conversation and this podcast specifically around AI
and how it influences education and our system. We just had an
episode about that with one of my colleagues and really kind of
diving deep about we really have to take this embrace approach,
kind of what you were sharing earlier, instead of this fearful,
it's going to take my job away, it really isn't.
00:33:35 Salvatrice
There's so much more to it that we
have to unpack and figure out specifically with our own workforce
at community colleges, let alone preparing the student for the
future.
00:33:45 Salvatrice
Thank you very, very much, we'd
greatly appreciate your time, Dr. Rodriguez. I know you're a very,
very busy leader in this space and for you to carve out time for us
means a lot, genuinely appreciate it. For those who may want to
connect with you, what would be the best way for them to connect
with you?
00:34:02 Francisco
Well, I don't hide, I have an
office, an office number, chancellor's office, LACCD, and I have
very capable assistants who are here. I also have a chancellor at
email at thechancellor@laccd.edu. Folks want to reach out, but
always, always happy to connect. I don't always connect right away
with folks who I don't know because I have, quite a bit to do. But
I try not to ignore anything or direct it to the right
place.
00:34:26 Francisco
But I'm always interested in ideas
and people sharing thoughts and really, really helping us together.
The education is a communal experience. Our individuals in other
parts of the state, the country, our community that have ideas to
share about how we can better improve and accelerate the success of
students, I'm game, always open to that.
00:34:47 Francisco
But I try to be accessible, try to
be down to earth, and try to do this work in a way that reminds
again, we stay grounded, we don't confuse who we are with what we
do.
00:34:56 Salvatrice
That's right.
00:34:56 Francisco
What we do is amazingly important,
but who we are as people and the values that we talked about that
are those who came before us and instilled upon us and the
obligation to serve others. It's my absolute belief that the more
we help others attain their goals, the more we have success in
attaining our own.
00:35:14 Francisco
So, it's a beautiful universal love
reciprocity. So, let's let the universe smile upon us and let's do
good work.
00:35:20 Salvatrice
I love that, what a beautiful,
beautiful way to close the conversation. Thank you, Dr. Rodriguez,
thank you very much.
00:35:26 Francisco
Okay, Salvatrice Cummo,
congratulations on hosting this, I know you do this out of love and
out of a purpose to serve, so I'm happy to be a part of this, thank
you so much.
00:35:38 Salvatrice
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