Nov 29, 2022
00:00:00 Martin
When you are connected enough to
the folks that you are actually serving and create not only a
program structure that welcomes them, but also, like a data
evaluation and a program evaluation that allows their perspectives
and their experience to be really clearly stated, that lays the
foundation for a really powerful program.
00:00:18 Martin
And we're now entering our 22nd
year. We're at a point now where we are able to do data analysis on
this program over five years, over 12 years, and go back to what
students were saying in 2010 versus what students are saying now in
2022. And really, like I said, pushing ourselves to do things
differently to be more expansive, to be more welcoming, to be more
accessible to our students.
00:00:50 Christina
The workforce landscape is
rapidly changing, and educators and their institutions need to keep
up. Preparing students before they enter the workforce to make our
communities and businesses stronger is at the core of getting an
education.
00:01:03 Christina
But we need to understand how to
change and adjust so that we can begin to project where things are
headed before we even get there. So, how do we begin to predict the
future?
00:01:15 Salvatrice
Hi, I'm Salvatrice Cummo, Vice
President of Economic and Workforce Development at Pasadena City
College and host of this podcast.
00:01:23 Christina
And I'm Christina Barsi,
producer and co-host of this podcast.
00:01:27 Salvatrice
And we are starting the
conversation about the future of work. We'll explore topics like
how education can partner with industry, how to be more equitable,
and how to attain one of our highest goals; more internships and
PCC students in the workforce.
00:01:41 Salvatrice
We at Pasadena City College want
to lead the charge in closing the gap between what our students are
learning and what the demands of the workforce will be once they
enter. This is a conversation that impacts all of us. You, the
employers, the policymakers, the educational institutions, and the
community as a whole.
00:02:01 Christina
We believe change happens when
we work together, and it all starts with having a conversation. I'm
Christina Barsi.
00:02:08 Salvatrice
And I'm Salvatrice Cummo, and
this is the Future of Work.
00:02:12 Salvatrice
Hi everyone, and welcome back to
the Future of Work Podcast. I am your host, Salvatrice Cummo. We
are excited to bring you another guest for our Future of Work
speaker series where we learn more about some of our panelists from
the Future of Work Conference that was not too long ago, on
November 8th.
00:02:30 Salvatrice
You certainly can watch the
conference on PCC's YouTube page, or listen to our previous episode
that features the panel discussion where you'll hear today's guest
along with a few other familiar voices from the podcast. We'll be
sure to enter that link in the show notes.
00:02:47 Salvatrice
But in today's episode, we will
be learning more about the Los Angeles County Department of Arts
and Culture and what its role is in helping our students enter the
workforce. We'll also hear about some key takeaways from the Future
of Work Conference and a deeper dive into some of the topics we
talked about.
00:03:05 Salvatrice
With that being said, we are
excited to welcome Martin Hernandez, Senior Program Associate at
the Los Angeles County Department of Arts and Culture, where he
manages the Arts Internship Program and is one of PCC's strongest
partner. Thank you, Martin.
00:03:20 Salvatrice
Martin is an experienced program
manager working really at the nexus of arts and education workforce
and local government and nonprofit, all of that kind of combined
together - to truly provide and exciting opportunities and
resources for our students in Los Angeles. We're excited to hear
more about it, Martin, and we look forward to continuing this
dialogue. Good morning, Martin.
00:03:41 Martin
Good morning. Thank you so much,
Salvatrice, for having me today. It's an honor to be
here.
00:03:45 Salvatrice
You're very, very welcome. And I
just want to publicly, again, thank you for participating at the
Future of Work Conference. I just got a ton of feedback that was
really positive about your remarks and your responses to the
questions and that panel discussions, so thank you very very much
for that.
00:04:00 Martin
Thank you, I appreciate that.
And what a great panel you all curated. I was up there with giants,
so it was great.
00:04:05 Salvatrice
You were one of the giants,
silly.
00:04:09 Martin
I'm getting there. Maybe I'm
getting there. Hoping to get there one day.
00:04:13 Salvatrice
You are, you certainly are.
Well, I'll tell you what I know a little bit about the LA County
Arts and Cultural Department, but before we talk about really what
that department is and what it's set forth to do, maybe share with
us a little bit about kind of what led you to this work and why
it's important, and why it continues to truly be an interest to
you.
00:04:30 Martin
Yeah, I appreciate that. I'm
oftentimes having to take the advice that I give a lot of our
students or that our students here from some of our professional
partners around how careers are not linear. And mine, definitely
tracks in the same way.
00:04:42 Martin
I really kind of came out of
college thinking that education was going to be my bread and
butter, and thought I wanted to be a teacher. Very quickly realized
through like AmeriCorps programs and things like that, and in
classroom experiences that I was having that maybe that was not the
best use of my talents.
00:04:58 Martin
And so, managed to segue into
the nonprofit sector, really supporting students that were
experiencing homelessness or coming out of the foster care system
or currently in the foster care system towards enrolling in college
or starting their careers. But always, with the goal of wanting to
circle back into the arts.
00:05:17 Martin
For myself personally, I went to
school for art history and history at UC Santa Cruz. And so, when
this opportunity opened up at the, then, LA County Arts Commission,
we actually were not a department at the time in 2018 when I
joined. It really kind of represented a kind of amalgamation of the
experience I had up to that point in workforce development
supporting our students who kind of needed the most support and
also, college access.
00:05:43 Martin
And the arts that I was looking
to parlay into, and of course, the nonprofit sector. And so, even
having you ask me the question of like what does it mean to be at
the intersection of arts and workforce development and education in
the nonprofit sector - I just want to say I feel like it's actually
very rare that folks get to sit at that
intersection.
00:06:01 Martin
And of course, the arts is very
quickly trying to catch up in terms of the work the sector is doing
to build inroads in workforce development. And of course, the Arts
Internship Program is just one of those things, but I know we're
going to talk about it in a minute.
00:06:16 Martin
But the Arts Internship Program
has been around for 22 years. I could have participated in it when
I was a high school student or a college student, and I had no idea
that it existed. So, a big part of this work for me is personal in
terms of wanting students who could have take advantage of this
program to kind of further their career in the arts, and making
sure that as many students know about it as possible, that that
really drives my work.
00:06:38 Salvatrice
Yeah. Well, let's stay there for
a minute. I mean, we talked a little bit about the internship
program, so you touched on it a little bit. So, let's stay there
for a minute and really talk about what it does for
students.
00:06:47 Salvatrice
I mean, what have you seen - and
then we'll circle back to really what the department of LA County
Culture and Arts does, and there's more to it, but specifically,
within the internships; what have you seen has been some of the
outcomes of that engagement with our students in LA
county?
00:07:03 Martin
Sure. So, I'll speak kind of
generally and then more specifically. First, generally, this is a
major workforce development program for the county. We're talking
230 paid internships every single year.
00:07:13 Salvatrice
Wow, that's
amazing.
00:07:14 Martin
Yes, it's a
lot.
00:07:15 Salvatrice
Holy moly, I didn't know that
that was a lot.
00:07:16 Martin
It's a lot. And with our
partners at the Getty Foundation, and at some point, I'll share
about their program as well; our programs combined actually
represent the largest paid Arts Internship Program in the country.
And so, what that means is just in a general sense, 80% usually of
our students, this is their first paid work experience
period.
00:07:35 Martin
And so, we have a lot of data on
just how students are utilizing this program to enter the workforce
for the first time. But of course, on top of that, it is most
oftentimes definitely their first paid experience in the arts. And
I think so much of what I try to do in partnership with wonderful
folks like yourselves and PCC, is just demystifying what it means
to get a career in the arts and how one can build
into.
00:08:02 Martin
And I want to be really clear -
our program is specifically geared towards supporting careers in
arts administration. So, these are 501(c)(3) nonprofits that are
providing arts and cultural services to their communities for free
or low cost.
00:08:16 Martin
So, these are not internships
for dance or for acting or for music, but they are at organizations
that are facilitating those arts and cultural services all
throughout LA county. So, twofold, it's for a lot of our students,
it's, "Oh my gosh, this is my first job period" and all of the
wonderful highs and lows that come with that.
00:08:35 Martin
But then again, this additional
layer of oh my goodness, and this paid internship is happening in
the arts where for many of our students, they are told that pathway
doesn't exist or that opportunity doesn't exist, or that it comes
after many, many years of unpaid opportunities.
00:08:50 Martin
And so, again, it's a
development program for the county as a whole, but when you look at
it through the lens of arts and culture and providing inroads into
the specific sector, it's an even, I think, more amazing
opportunity.
00:09:02 Salvatrice
For sure. And what I really
appreciated you saying that its focus is on arts and culture
administration, because in academia, we talk a lot about the arts
and culture as it relates to the creative side, but maybe not so
much on the managerial administrative side, and the fact that the
program really brings light to that and that we know it exists, but
there's not a concentrated focus with an instruction around
administration and arts and culture.
00:09:31 Martin
And it varies (I'm speaking
broadly). But I really appreciate that the program really gets
hyper-focused in that. Now, you and I met via email, I want to say
like four years ago. It was about four years
ago.
00:09:45 Martin
Yeah. And I think that was when
Leslie was also kind of getting the Freeman Center off the ground
at that point. Yeah.
00:09:51 Salvatrice
That's right. That's right. So,
from then until now, from what I understood, the department wasn't
really fully formed at the time. Much like we weren't really fully
formed at the time either. We were both kind of growing and
building our infrastructures. So, where are we now with the
department? And maybe give us like a holistic view of what the
department is set forth to do with the county.
00:10:12 Martin
Yeah, definitely. So, our Arts
Commission, which is what we existed as before we transitioned to a
department, had been around for 70 years. We started actually as
the Music Commission for LA county, specifically charged with
supporting music in LA. And over the decades and under various
leadership, the Arts Commission had really grown into doing
departmental functions, but really still existed as a commission
underneath the executive office of the county.
00:10:39 Martin
And so, in 2018, which is right
the time that I joined the department, the board of supervisors
unanimously voted to establish us as the official LA County
Department of Arts and Culture, which was mostly an administrative
transformation, but really symbolically showed a vested interest by
the supervisors in codifying many of our programs that had been
running for many years.
00:11:01 Martin
And so, what we have seen since
2018 and 2019 in our transformation into a department is further
investments and furthered support from the board of supervisors
into our existing programs, as well as creation of new
programs.
00:11:14 Martin
You know, just to speak about
the Arts Internship Program for a moment, and then I can share
about the department as a whole - the internship program when I
joined was at 179 internships, then was bumped up to 203
internships and is now at 228.
00:11:28 Martin
So, that's just one example of
the continued investment and support from the supervisors in our
work. But the department as a whole is the local arts agency for LA
county, we're very lucky to be in existence. As you can imagine,
many cities and counties across the United States are not as
fortunate to have the resources to have a local arts
agency.
00:11:46 Martin
But our department actually has
a number of divisions. So, alongside the grants and professional
development division, which is where I am housed, we support three
major grant initiatives every year. Our organizational grant
program, our community impact arts grant program, and the Arts
Internship Program are all situated under the grants and
professional development division.
00:12:06 Martin
But we also have our colleagues
and friends over in the civic art division, which manages the LA
county arts collection. So, many of the statues and murals and
things that you see across LA county, as well as the Commission of
New Arts projects as part of new development or percent for art
ordinance - anytime there's a new county piece of artwork or
commission for the county at whole, that division is the one
responsible for the project management and the budgetary
responsibilities of that.
00:12:32 Martin
As well as our arts education
division, which works very closely with all of the school districts
in LA county, really around advocacy for continued robust and
well-funded arts education in our K-12 school system, as well as
students that are outside of the K-12. So, our non-traditional
students.
00:12:50 Martin
So, they actually work with many
of the juvenile justice camps with our colleagues in the probation
department to make sure that there's arts instruction happening in
all of the juvenile justice camps and halls. And then, I have a
counterpart in arts education, shout out to Mia, who is actually
starting to have conversations and doing work in workforce
development for the arts at the K-12 level.
00:13:09 Martin
So, that's partnerships with
Gladio that do some of that career exploration. We actually have an
arts and culture focus on Gladio now for students to kind of learn
more about careers in the arts.
00:13:20 Martin
And last, but certainly not
least, I would be remiss if I did not mention them; our research
and evaluation division, tiny but mighty, really focused on
aggregating and condensing and producing reports around the
strength and vitality of our field, the economic output of our
field.
00:13:35 Martin
And of course, within the era of
COVID continuing to kind of produce results that talk about the
strength, the rebounds, the areas of loss for arts and culture for
this sector in LA County. So, it's a lot. I think we're still the
smallest department, we're not the newest.
00:13:49 Martin
Kelly LoBianco who was on the
panel with me for Future of Work, the split of the Weeds Act
department into two different departments, I think they're
technically the newest departments in the county, but we're still
the smallest. And we do a lot, I think, with the amount of people
that we have.
00:14:04 Salvatrice
I think so too. And I think like
kind of speaking to how the board of supervisors decided, hey, like
we're going to form this into its own department, really
demonstrates the active role of eliminating the stigma around arts
and culture that you talked about at the Future of
Work.
00:14:24 Salvatrice
So, let's switch gears a little
bit because you touched on something very important, that there's
still a stigma around arts and culture as it relates to other
fields, but the fact that the county made this concentrated effort,
and continues to make a concentrated effort around the arts and
culture speaks volume.
00:14:40 Salvatrice
So, if the county is doing their
work, my question to you is what could we as community colleges do
on our end, to help guide students on these career paths in arts
and culture here in LA, which we all know is the hub of
entertainment and everything else. And there's such rich history
here.
00:15:00 Salvatrice
Side note, I took a street food
tour.
00:15:04 Martin
Uh, love it.
00:15:05 Salvatrice
That was so much
fun.
00:15:07 Martin
I'm a huge foodie, so sign me
up.
00:15:10 Salvatrice
In LA, and we were walking in LA
and it's just listening to ... I mean, the food was great, but just
listening to the history around the buildings and the sculptures,
and the art was just absolutely amazing. So, how do we do more of
that? Or how do we as a community college really support the
momentum that the county has put forth?
00:15:29 Martin
So, firstly, I want to say that
of course, there's a ton of extenuating circumstances for all the
community colleges and everybody's looks different. But I know for
example that in post-COVID, enrollment drops for the community
colleges, difficult decisions need to get made around programs
being offered and faculty and things like that.
00:15:51 Martin
But what is the arts offering at
a community college. And what is the community college's commitment
to continuing to champion the arts as a field of study within the
community colleges is huge. And I would be remiss not to start
there because I think what is it for me to come into a community
college that is only offering three classes in a particular
discipline.
00:16:15 Martin
That, I cannot overstate that
enough. And I think, of course, we could talk about the arts as an
economic driver, we can talk about the arts as a cultural resource,
an opportunity for folks to gather and come together and share
space.
00:16:29 Martin
But when you're talking about
the community colleges, it has to be seen as a viable academic
pursuit. And so, I think starting there and ensuring that community
colleges continue to offer robust arts programming, not as an
elective, not as a nice fun thing to do, but as a distinguished
pathway towards degree attainment or otherwise, is very
important.
00:16:52 Martin
I think secondly, I'm going to
say this specifically for any of our like straight-up workforce
development folks that might be listening, as somebody who held
that and sat in that space for many years before coming to the
department, we have to also keep really wide definitions of what
success looks like and even what careers might look
like.
00:17:13 Martin
Because I think the arts
represent - I mentioned this a little bit on the panel, but the
arts really could look very different. A career in the arts could
look very different than a nine-to-five or a desk job or any of
these other kinds of things.
00:17:26 Martin
So, I think when folks at the
community colleges recognize that somebody who is trying to build a
career in the arts may work for six months on tour, and then be
unemployed or might do a gig here or a gig there, and a gig there,
but do our workforce development outcomes, are they reflective of
those kinds of opportunities? Are we able to have conversations
with students around what it means to work for six months out of
the year, and not work the other six, or to be working on a
contract here and a gig here and a gig there?
00:17:56 Martin
So, I think equipping our career
staff at the community colleges with the knowledge of what
different careers in the arts might look like and how they might
differ from other sectors, but still allowing us to kind of see
those things as successful and worth pursuing is
huge.
00:18:15 Martin
And I will sing the praises of
the PCC career team forever and always.
00:18:20 Salvatrice
Oh, thank
you.
00:18:21 Martin
It creates a completely
different environment for student in the arts when they are walking
into the career side of the institution with folks that really
understand that. Because most of the time, your academic staff,
your faculty, they do get it.
00:18:35 Martin
I mean, I know there are faculty
at the community colleges that are traveling artists or gig workers
or otherwise, involved a lot of the times in our nonprofits. I
mean, we have a lot of our 501(c)(3) colleagues that are on faculty
at different community colleges, so they know kind of how it
looks.
00:18:54 Martin
But if there's a disconnect
between that reality and what the services that a career center can
provide, I think that's when we start to see students really
dropping off and struggling.
00:19:05 Salvatrice
They're not really viewing what
is possible. And I think there's a lot of advocacy work that needs
to get done too, around the arts and culture that we haven't really
kind of scratched the surface with. As a system, there are multiple
avenues, multiple pathways and multiple possibilities for our
students that they may not have known otherwise.
00:19:25 Salvatrice
I mean, you're right, and that
frontline, the career team really is there. And I think that
there's certainly some growth for our system of community colleges
to focus on the career aspects of yes, arts and culture, but
there's so much more. How do we infuse the knowledge and infuse
what truly is possible with our career teams so they can best help
our students?
00:19:45 Martin
And a lot of that is incumbent
upon us as the department. Like we are very aware that we play a
huge role in modeling what some of this might look like. Even what
I said a minute ago about, hey, our program is really focused on
arts administration, that is me making sure that I'm tailoring
expectations because I think folks see the title and say, "Oh, I
want to be an actor, I want to be a musician, and so, this is the
career for me."
00:20:09 Martin
Well, yes, because we of course,
are attracting students that are musicians, that are actors, that
are dancers, that are in theater. But this is focused on arts
administration. So, these are positions working in development and
fundraising, grant writing, grant management, graphic design,
social media, marketing, program side of things.
00:20:28 Martin
So, maybe working directly with
students, teaching, painting, teaching dance, teaching music. So,
it also means that when I go out to schools like PCC, I try to be
very clear, you don't have to be majoring in the arts. Give us your
business students, give us your marketing
students.
00:20:43 Martin
We've had students that are in
health sciences or in psychology or sociology because they're
interested in art therapy opportunities. So, we also try to make
sure we're not pigeonholing ourselves by presenting a program
that's too narrow.
00:20:57 Martin
It really is intentionally wide
and expansive so that we can continue to show folks the arts and
culture sector is filled with folks from all different kinds of
backgrounds that have all different kinds of specialties and
everybody is needed to move the sector forward.
00:21:13 Salvatrice
I love that. In the dialogue
with your panel, your fellow panel people-
00:21:18 Martin
Panel people, I love
it.
00:21:20 Salvatrice
Panelists - were there any key
takeaways that you thought, gosh wait a minute, there's something
there, we need to unpack that a little more. Or just some aha
moments that you thought, "Oh, I hadn't thought about
that."
00:21:32 Martin
I really appreciated Sandra. I
think Sandra Sanchez, she clearly is coming in from a very
high-level perspective in terms of like what the long-term
trajectory is for the community colleges. And I really appreciated
her candor around like enrollment rates, birth rates, how those
things can affect enrollment.
00:21:54 Martin
And I think she said we have to
be keeping in mind that it's easier to retain a student than it is
to recruit a new one. And of course, being able to hear from Will
and his experience as a student, I think Will was basically saying
like, "Y'all almost lost me. I was almost going to fall off. And it
was because I got connected to the right people that really
supported me and made me feel like I could
stay."
00:22:20 Martin
So, just, I think, I would maybe
point to the pandemic as maybe one of the factors, but just the
candor and openness that everyone brought to the stage in terms of,
"Hey, the way that we've always done things is maybe not the way
that we need to continue to do them. And how can we be vulnerable
with one another about some of those shortcomings or about some of
those areas for growth."
00:22:42 Martin
I think in workforce
development, my experience had been in prior spaces, a little bit
of like a guarding of best practices and secret sauce so that you
could hit your numbers because there were other - of course, this
was the nonprofit space, but so that other organizations were
trying to hit their numbers, and everybody's trying to pull from
the same pools of students and partnerships.
00:23:02 Martin
So, just again, the candor and
the openness of folks saying, "We have some big challenges ahead
and if we don't come together and break down silos enough to be
able to counteract some of those challenges, we might be in
trouble."
00:23:16 Martin
I just really, really
appreciated that because I think any of us that work in workforce
development will tell you that like honesty and transparency is the
number one, especially when working with my students. I think often
about how you had to be open and honest with them about the
opportunities that they were being given or not going to be given.
And so, to feel that level of candor and openness in the room was
really wonderful.
00:23:37 Salvatrice
I thought so too. It felt very
natural and very comfortable and the dialogue was, you're right,
honest, and we're letting all our guards down and we're just trying
to figure this all out in this recovery phase that we're kind of
going through. But this is the Future of Work Podcast
and-
00:23:52 Martin
Yep.
00:23:54 Salvatrice
The Future of Work Podcast, and
I'm really interested, I know our listeners are really interested -
and you've shared a lot about the county Arts and Culture
Department; if you had to say like this is really what I want our
listener to walk away with in this conversation or walk away with
period, in the theme and realm of the future of work, both in this
conversation or your experience at the conference, what might that
be?
00:24:19 Martin
Yeah, a big, big
question.
00:24:21 Salvatrice
It is. It's loaded, isn't
it?
00:24:24 Martin
I think of course everybody
gives a different answer from their different perspectives, but I
exist in a little bit of an interesting space in that I'm an
intermediary for the program, I'm not doing the hiring. All of our
organizations, they hire their interns, they go through their own
processes. And so, I get a little bit of
everything.
00:24:44 Martin
I get a little bit of the
student perspective, I get a lot of the supervisor perspective,
"Hey Martin, something went wrong with this intern. We have to
troubleshoot, how can we support you?" I get a little bit from the
colleges around like, "Hey, this is what we're seeing, this is what
we're not seeing."
00:24:57 Martin
But I got to say, personally for
me, I am always trying to center the student experience and the
student perspective. And it's something that folks will say often,
but I think operationalizing that is very different. And what that
means a lot of the times is most likely pushing back against other
priorities and other external factors that might be trying to come
in and change a program or change something, or make it look
different.
00:25:29 Martin
And what I have found is like
when you are connected enough to the folks that you are actually
serving and create not only a program structure that welcomes them,
but also, like a data evaluation and a program evaluation that
allows their perspectives and their experience to be really clearly
stated - that lays the foundation for a really powerful
program.
00:25:49 Martin
And like I said, we're now
entering our 22nd year. You know, we're at a point now where we are
able to do data analysis on this program over 5 years, over 10
years, over 12 years, and go back to what students were saying in
2010 versus what students are saying now in 2022. And really, like
I said, pushing ourselves to do things differently, to be more
expansive, to be more welcoming, to be more accessible to our
students.
00:26:18 Martin
So, I shared on the panel that
the program prior to the pandemic was 40 hours a week, only during
the summer. Students started in June, ended in August. And for many
years, students and organizations alike had been saying, "Hey, it
would be really great for us to have year-round internships. The
summer is busy for some of our organizations, but not all of our
organizations."
00:26:41 Martin
And so, the pandemic gave us
this opportunity to change a key structure of the program and make
it year-round. And we are riding at a hundred percent approval rate
from our students in the program. We have over 80% of supervisors
and organizations saying that they prefer the year-round format or
that the year-round format is working for them relative to the
summer format.
00:27:04 Martin
And again, that came out of us
saying, administratively, this is going to be a huge lift for us,
but this is what we're hearing from our interns, from our
organizations, so let's make that change. And I think it's made us
a stronger program for that.
00:27:16 Martin
So, not only keeping yourself
close enough to the ground where that you as a practitioner can
hear those stories, hear those testimonies yourself, but also,
building out a data collection protocol that allows you to really
capture that and that data in realtime has been invaluable to
us.
00:27:34 Martin
And I want to be clear, I came
into a longstanding program that had those mechanisms, thanks to
the hard work and awareness of my predecessors. And so, like I
said, been invaluable for us, especially in the era of something
like the COVID-19 pandemic where you have to kind of get your feet
underneath you, and learn where you're going.
00:27:53 Salvatrice
I really appreciate the fact
that you're monitoring the organization's input as well as the
student experience input because oftentimes, we do one or the
other. I mean, sometimes it's a bandwidth issue. And we get
hyper-focused on, I'm going to say the customer, the student, that
experience, which I love and appreciated the fact that you said
like, "Hey, let's really activate that."
00:28:16 Salvatrice
Where say we want to center the
student experience, well, then that means that we need to shift
operations, we need to shift policy, we need to shift our mindset.
There's major shifts that need to happen that may sound simple, but
are quite complex, specifically in like a public system like
community colleges.
00:28:33 Salvatrice
So, I really appreciate that and
I also appreciate the fact that you're saying, Salvatrice, we're
monitoring and we're listening to the organizations that we serve
as well. Because you're serving dual customers, you're serving the
upcoming talent, and you're also serving the existing organizations
that are fostering and nurturing the incoming
talent.
00:28:50 Martin
Yeah, and one of the things I've
really appreciated, and Sandra, actually, again, mentioned this on
the panel about like what does it mean when you shift the burden
from the students to the institution? We've done a little bit of
that thinking over the past couple years as well when it comes to
professional development.
00:29:05 Martin
So, for our students, in
addition to the internship, I also help coordinate with some of our
partners additional educational opportunities that students can
take advantage of to compliment their work experience. So, most
oftentimes, these are panels either virtually or in-person where
they're hearing from folks in the arts and culture sector and their
career paths.
00:29:25 Martin
Of course, sometimes they get to
just go to performances and see art, which is important for us. But
what we've been doing over the past couple of years, is actually
shifting some of our professional development focus from the
students to the supervisors and offering professional development
to them.
00:29:41 Martin
And this is all through a
really, I just want to say clearly, a really strong partnership
that we've had for many years with the Getty Foundation. The Getty
Marrow Multicultural Undergraduate Internship Program is our sister
program. They fund internships specifically in the visual arts
space. So, mostly at the museums is what you will see. And we
consider our program sister programs and we fund all of the
artistic disciplines that are not visual arts.
00:30:05 Martin
But in partnership with them,
last year, we were able to offer professional development sessions
for our supervisors around how to support trans and non-binary
interns in the workplace. How do you provide opportunities for
intergenerational mentorship and learning within your organization
as well as professional development around mentoring and
supervising in the era of COVID through Zoom in these digital
platforms.
00:30:28 Martin
So, that is on our end, kind of
the duality that we also are kind of contending with. And we had
said as a department for many years, that the Arts Internship
Program prioritized mentorship and supervision and kind of a pseudo
vocational training kind of OJT kind of model.
00:30:45 Martin
But we had never really put
resources towards supporting our supervisors in developing that
mentorship capacity and having those conversations. So, as part of
that data collection, we asked the supervisors every year what are
some topics that you're struggling with? What are some things that
you want to discuss? And then leverage our resources and our
connections and our partnership with the Getty to be able to
provide that for them in the following cycle.
00:31:08 Martin
And just to speak briefly on,
like I said, trans and non-binary identity in our program, we've
started to see demographically the numbers tick up of students that
are identifying as trans or non-binary or not cisgendered. And so,
to see our supervisors say, "Hey, we don't know how to have these
conversations," that's one way we can support them in saying,
"Let's talk about that. Let's bring somebody in who can facilitate
conversations around how organizations can better support and
structure."
00:31:35 Martin
So, I think the workforce
development pipeline for me is both ends. It's the young people
coming up in the workforce and also, the organizations and
companies that are trying to receive them. And if we can work on
both ends of the pipeline within our program, we're going to try to
do that. And we see that as important.
00:31:52 Salvatrice
I love that. Thank you so much.
Thanks for that. And I learned so much from you just right now
about those topics for the organizations, for their supervisors. We
don't think that there's like, oh, there's a need - there's a
significant need there, and as educators, we educate. I really
appreciate you sharing that.
00:32:06 Salvatrice
This has been a delightful
conversation and I really encourage the listener to click on that
YouTube link and hear the whole conference because I'd love for
them to hear all of your responses on the panel. But if there's a
listener that wants to connect with you, Martin, what's the best
way that they can connect with you?
00:32:22 Martin
Yeah, so definitely our website,
www.lacountyarts.org - arts with an S - dot org, that is our
website. And that will take you to kind of the main hub for
everything that our department is doing, including the Arts
Internship Program.
00:32:37 Martin
If you are interested in
specifically the Arts Internship Program, you can go to
www.lacountyarts.org/internships, and that will take you straight
to our webpage on the website that talks a lot about the upcoming
program and what we expect.
00:32:53 Martin
On our website, I encourage
everybody to sign up for our newsletter, our department's
newsletter. That is the best way to stay connected with all of our
grant opportunities. Anytime something happens for the internship
program, it gets announced through the newsletter. So, really
encourage folks to sign up for that.
00:33:08 Martin
And folks are welcomed to
connect with me on LinkedIn. I am, in all honesty, still learning
the power of LinkedIn and happy to connect with folks on
there.
00:33:16 Martin
So, if you are a parent or a
student yourself or connected to somebody who is in school within
LA county at this time, on April of 2023, the positions for the
2023 Arts Internship Program will launch. So, these 228 positions
that I mentioned will get rolled out in batches starting in
April.
00:33:37 Martin
In the beginning of April,
you'll be able to go to our website and see the list of positions
available for applying. Students can go directly to our website,
they'll see the list of positions, they can click into it, it'll
talk a little bit about the work of the position, what the
expectations are, qualifications, and most importantly, how to
apply.
00:33:54 Martin
It typically is I think the like
number one day of traffic on our website as everybody rushes to the
website each year. But again, it's 228 positions at over 140
organizations all throughout LA county. So, no matter where in LA
county you are listening to this podcast, I guarantee there is an
internship near you.
00:34:13 Martin
And internships will run
starting in June of 2023 all the way to March 1st of 2024. So,
we've got part-time positions, full-time positions in all the
artistic disciplines that you can think of. And so, really, really
encourage folks that are either students themselves or connected to
students to visit our website in the early springtime to get
connected to those opportunities.
00:34:32 Martin
And of course, starting in
January, I will be going on my little countywide tour to all of the
schools, including PCC, to talk directly to students about it. So,
it's always an exciting time right around the turn of the year as
we get ramped up for the next batch of
internships.
00:34:48 Salvatrice
Fantastic. Thank you for sharing
that. And we'll be sure to enter that into the notes as well as
share it across our network.
00:34:54 Martin
Love that. Would love that.
Again, so grateful for the folks at PCC and your team, Salvatrice,
for getting the word out. PCC, I will say, I think has kind of been
at probably the top of the list in terms of number of students
participating in the program every year from the community
colleges. So, a big thank you to you and your team for spreading
the word and connecting your students.
00:35:14 Salvatrice
You're very welcome. That's
really awesome to hear. Thank you very, very much for the
partnership. There's more to come.
00:35:20 Martin
That's right.
00:35:21 Salvatrice
I look forward to future
engagements and future programming.
00:35:23 Martin
Yeah, and I'm looking forward to
learning from you all. You know, in terms of practicing what I
preach, I'm no longer in the school space, so I really look to your
teams - Jacqueline and Leslie and in terms of what we can be doing
better or what we can change.
00:35:38 Martin
And so, again, really grateful
also to have y'all's insight and input as we continue to make
tweaks. I think the program will stay year-round for the time
being, but there could be further tweaks down the road. So, really
grateful to be in partnership with you all for those kinds of
things.
00:35:53 Salvatrice
Yeah, fantastic. Thank you so
much, Martin. We'll be chatting again soon, I'm
sure.
00:35:58 Martin
Sounds great, Salvatrice, thank
you so much again for having me.
00:36:01 Salvatrice
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