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TRANSCRIPT - Episode 67: How To Mobilize A Community Of Partners To Overcome Economic & Workforce Barriers With Salvatrice Cummo Vice President of Economic and Workforce Development at PCC

Apr 12, 2022

How To Mobilize A Community Of Partners To Overcome Economic & Workforce Barriers With Salvatrice Cummo Vice President of Economic and Workforce Development at PCC Episode 67


00:00:00 Salvatrice

That is what ignites me. What ignites me is how could we be of service not only to our business community, but to our students, to our faculty, to administration in general, to ... fill in the blank. I think as a community college, we historically, have been looked at as a place of growth, as a place of mobility, as a place of professional development.


00:00:24 Salvatrice

We serve multiple communities and we serve multiple demographics within our communities. I get to play in this space, I get to innovate in this space, I get to create in this space.


00:00:39 Christina

The workforce landscape is rapidly changing and educators and their institutions need to keep up. Preparing students before they enter the workforce to make our communities and businesses stronger is at the core of getting an education. But we need to understand how to change and adjust so that we can begin to project where things are headed before we even get there. So, how do we begin to predict the future?


00:01:04 Salvatrice

Hi, I'm Salvatrice Cummo, Vice President of Economic and Workforce Development at Pasadena City College, and host of this podcast.


00:01:12 Christina

And I'm Christina Barsi, producer and co-host of this podcast.


00:01:16 Salvatrice

And we are starting the conversation about the future of work. We'll explore topics like how education can partner with industry, how to be more equitable, and how to attain one of our highest goals: more internships and PCC students in the workforce.


00:01:30 Salvatrice

We, at Pasadena City College, want to lead the charge in closing the gap between what our students are learning and what the demands of the workforce will be once they enter. This is a conversation that impacts all of us. You, the employers, the policymakers, the educational institutions, and the community as a whole,


00:01:50 Christina

We believe change happens when we work together and it all starts with having a conversation. I'm Christina Barsi.


00:01:58 Salvatrice

And I'm Salvatrice Cummo, and this is the Future of Work.


00:02:02 Christina

If you've ever been curious about how you can be of service to not only your community, but your community's future, then we have solutions for you in today's discussion.


00:02:11 Christina

In this episode, we turn the tables on our host, Salvatrice Cummo, as she becomes the coveted guest, interviewed by our guest host, Leslie Thompson, Director of Operations at EWD. With Salvatrice's new role as Vice President of the Economic and Workforce Development at Pasadena City College, we take a dive into how they approach their initiatives, identify and work through barriers, and how we can all work together to fuel our future of work.


00:02:42 Leslie

Hi, and welcome back to the Future of Work Podcast. I'm Leslie Thompson, Director of Operations of Economic and Workforce Development here at Pasadena City College. I'm today's guest host, and I'm interviewing your usual host, Salvatrice Cummo, who is now the Vice President of Economic and Workforce Development here at Pasadena City College.


00:02:59 Leslie

We're going to be talking about the journey that led her to this place and some of the initiatives we're working on going forward. Savatrice, welcome.


00:03:08 Salvatrice

Hi, how are you?


00:03:10 Leslie

This is great. I mean, how is it for you to be in the hot seat now? You get to be interviewed.


00:03:13 Salvatrice

I know, it feels a little awkward. I have to admit, it does.


00:03:17 Leslie

I think it's great. I think it's great, I love this. Well, let's jump right in if that's okay with you.


00:03:22 Salvatrice



00:03:22 Leslie

First of all, let's start big picture; defining what we do here at EWD, how this impacts the future workforce. If you can give us kind of an overarching view of economic and workforce development. I know we've done that before on the podcast, but relevant to this conversation.


00:03:39 Salvatrice

When we say economic and workforce development for a community college, it really lies in two very simple goals: upskilling the existing workforce and producing new workforce, a new talent pipeline, but the devil is in the details.


00:03:55 Salvatrice

I think for us, when we think about upskilling existing workforce, it's what trainings do we have for our existing employees? What relationships do we have with employers where we precisely know the talent gaps that they have, the service needs, the trends that are happening within their sectors, and any other barriers that they might be facing with a talented workforce.


00:04:23 Salvatrice

When we examine producing new talent for the workforce, a new pipeline, it's how are we as a division influencing curricula design? How are we informing our college, our faculty members, our administration on trends, on the gaps that the employers are sharing with us, the talent needs that the employers are sharing with us, the intersections between workforce systems.


00:04:58 Salvatrice

And I would say that's a part three, but the two main parts is really producing a talented workforce and then upskilling the existing workforce. And like I said earlier, the devil is in the details, and there's so much programming and strategy work that happens with that.


00:05:14 Salvatrice

But the third biggest component, when I think about our work and EWD as a whole here at PCC, is how are we braiding services offered by the community, services offered by our region? How are we braiding everything so that our community members can leverage the institution in all its capacities?


00:05:39 Salvatrice

You know, you think about I'm employee Sally who works at X, Y, Z company, my employer might need something different from me. They might want me to be trained in a very specific software. They might want me to brush up on my customer service skills. Well, how do they lean on PCC, but then how do they lean on the workforce development boards? How do they lean on the city?


00:06:05 Salvatrice

And so for Sally, right? Like she's not going to know - he or she is not gonna know how to leverage all the entities. So, it's up to the entities to connect and to integrate services and products so that the end-user really only has to go to one place. And I think that that's really kind of big picture where we want to be as an institution, leading workforce development for this region.


00:06:31 Leslie

Well, that's no small feat.


00:06:33 Salvatrice

It is not.


00:06:33 Leslie

Well, tell me about that, about your role as the new VP. So, first of all, how long have you been the VP?


00:06:41 Salvatrice

I believe three months now.


00:06:42 Leslie

Three months. And how has this new position changed your goals? I know as the Executive Director, you always had a big vision for the department and we continue to grow and we continue to do all these great things. All the things you discussed have been on our radar. What does your new role as the Vice President of Economic and Workforce Development mean for all that?


00:07:06 Salvatrice

That's a really good question. Being three months into this role, I would have to say that it's just doing more of it, right? It's doing more of capturing these really large scalable opportunities and bringing them to campus. For example, one of the biggest projects that we're super proud of is being chosen to lead the Los Angeles Regional Consortium of Community Colleges.


00:07:34 Salvatrice

So, when we think about that at scale and what that means, it's not just about PCC, it's about everyone else who serves our community. It's about the intersections that I already shared, talked about a little bit earlier. It's about connecting, it's about integrating, it's about all those that sound really simple, but are super complex when you look at our systems. And I mean, even community college within one system, each community college has their local focus.


00:08:09 Salvatrice

And so, how do we take all respective community college local focuses and build it up into developing and sustaining our Los Angeles County? When I think about my role, I think about it in those terms. Not only through the lens locally, but it's through the lens of the region. What could we do within our reach?


00:08:33 Salvatrice

System change - we've talked about system change for a really long time in our community colleges. I feel like luck is really kind of on my side simply because of the way our economy is, because of what we experienced in the last two years, this beautiful opportunity that we have in leading this region, layered with the volume of talent that resides here at PCC and the volume of talent that resides in the county, I feel like I'm uniquely positioned.


00:09:02 Salvatrice

So, it's not just me, it's really everyone around that's doing this work, but where I was leading with that was it's time to do business just a little bit differently. And our economy is allowing us to do that. We are kind of forced into doing things a little bit differently, and that was beautiful. That was a beautiful thing.


00:09:22 Salvatrice

We were forced to examine how we process, we were forced to examine what we produce . We were forced to monitor what produce and what we say. We were forced to really take a look at our outcomes and be critical about are we really doing X, Y, Z? And so, in doing more of this regional work within my current role, again, it allows all of the colleges, specifically PCC too - we will see greater work and greater scale of this work when it's all done in collaboration with the multiple systems that are offered here in the county. And the county is massive.


00:10:10 Salvatrice

I had the pleasure of interviewing Kelly LoBianco, who is the Executive Director of Economic and Workforce Development for the county, and it was refreshing and exciting to hear. And she's four months into her role too. So, it was really refreshing and exciting to hear what is possible for our county.


00:10:31 Salvatrice

And so, in a nutshell, Leslie, I know that in this particular role, I have the ability to really examine and tinker and test on what is possible - what is possible with PCC, what is possible with our community college system, and what is possible with us as practitioners in this space for the county. I think this is a really exciting time.


00:10:56 Salvatrice

I know we went through a lot these last couple of years. Our entire world went through a lot in the last couple of years, but there's so much room for growth in the next five years. And I'm really excited about that. And I'm excited for our community members to leverage it.


00:11:17 Leslie

That's great. You talk about the need for systems change. And one of the questions I wanted to ask you was about your career trajectory that led you to higher education. Because I know that you weren't always in higher ed and I don't know that you always imagined that you would be in higher ed when you started your career. Can you tell us a little bit about that trajectory and how you ended up in higher ed?


00:11:40 Salvatrice

Every position I've ever had in my career has been about solving a problem. I'm a builder, I'm a problem-solver, period. And so, how I really landed in higher education, I think for two main reasons: to be of service to my community and to solve a problem.


00:11:59 Salvatrice

When I first onboarded at PCC, I was a Director of the Small Business Development Center. And at the time, it was a new center, it literally just got approved. And so, I had the ability to really build the program, build the center. But what was beautiful about it, is I got to work with the businesses in our community - not just Pasadena, but the entire San Gabriel Valley.


00:12:23 Salvatrice

It led to really understanding the pulse of our community. It led to understanding the voices of our employers and so when there was opportunity to scale in this space, and I had the opportunity to interview for it, and chosen for the position as the Executive Director of Economic Workforce Development - I thought this is really great because I can now do even more of it and not just business assistance , but business assistance plus, plus, plus, plus, plus.


00:12:53 Salvatrice

And I also got to just kind of ... the flip side of that is I got to work more internally and understand instruction and understand student services, and understand the non-credit side of the house, and really understand all of the pieces of the engine that make up a community college.


00:13:13 Salvatrice

And so, it was super eyeopening for me to really kind of understand higher ed. But I didn't come from higher ed. I did not think that higher education was an option for me within my career trajectory. I came from the private sector, then I went to corporate, then I went to nonprofit, and it was really within my nonprofit work that led me to PCC because it shared with me the needs and the desires of our business community. And that's kind of what led me here to begin with.


00:13:47 Salvatrice

But then once I got here, I thought, oh my goodness, like there's so much more that we could be doing. There's so much more room to be of service. And that's what ignites me. What ignites me is how could we be of service not only to our business community, but to our students, to our faculty, to administration in general, to ... fill in the blank.


00:14:11 Salvatrice

I think as a community college, we historically, have been looked at as a place of growth, as a place of mobility, as a place of professional development. We serve multiple communities, and we serve multiple demographics within our communities. I get to play in this space. I get to innovate in this space. I get to create in this space in a way that I didn't think was possible because I just didn't know.


00:14:42 Salvatrice

But now that I know, it's like uh-huh, like I get to ... so I've shared this with you multiple times. How many times have I said this? Like I'm a major popcorn head. You need an idea? I got one for you. And that's what academia is. You know, academia should be a place to innovate and create and test. And if it works, great, let's do more of it. If it doesn't, okay, we've tested it, let's move on. Let's figure out something else.


00:15:09 Salvatrice

And so, the fact that I get to do that in this environment, I couldn't ask for anything more. I really couldn't. I'm very, very blessed to be here.


00:15:18 Leslie

That's awesome. I agree with you. Academia should be the place for us to do all those things, but sometimes, folks are setting their ways and rules are in place. And just given that the environment we work in is often regulated and we deal with various restrictions that can make change slow - we talked about the need for change particularly in this work, the need to be flexible, nimble, and responsive.


00:15:42 Leslie

So, I was wondering given that the environment we work in is often regulated, and we deal with various restrictions that can make change slow, how do you, as a creative with an entrepreneurial spirit show up and affect change as a leader in this space, that's got to be a challenge.


00:16:00 Salvatrice

I'd be lying if I said that it wasn't a struggle for me in the beginning in working within the walls of higher education. But I'll tell you what, the quicker I accepted it, the quicker I was able to innovate. So, I think for me, and I can't speak for anyone else. I think for me, it was understanding and accepting what the parameters were or are. Then it's about working with like-minded professionals that had the same drive, the same ambition, the same attitude about being service to our community.


00:16:33 Salvatrice

You know, like I said earlier, I think we're really ... you and I, particularly, Leslie, like we're uniquely positioned in an institution that believes in that and fosters that, and supports it . And so, for us, it's probably a little bit easier to innovate and create because Pasadena's culture is really about that.


00:16:55 Salvatrice

I mean, we sit in the middle of the entrepreneurial ecosystem, Pasadena is the Mecca of the startup community and the entrepreneurial spirit. So, we're kind of in it. Like our culture is about it, our environment is about it, our city is about it. So, it's a little bit different for us, but we still obviously have regulations. We still obviously have rules that we've got to follow and everything like that.


00:17:23 Salvatrice

But it's about what could I do ... I mean, here's what I do: is I take a look at, okay, well, what do we have to deliver? What's going to get in our way? And then what do I create that allows me to still be within our regulatory alliance. So, I'm in line, right? We're not breaking any rules. And then how do I get there? And then I start mapping how do I get there.


00:17:49 Salvatrice

And between what we need to solve and what my idea is - the how do I get there? That's when you start looking for champions, that's when you start looking for partner solutions. So, it's not always internal, it's employers, it's economic development agencies, it's our cities.


00:18:11 Salvatrice

Our external partners play a huge role in the work that we do. They're influencers. Not only are we trying to help solve a problem for them, but they're helping solve a problem for us as well. And so, I think that back to your question about like, well, how do you ideate, how do you create in a space that's highly regulated? Acceptance, and then just figuring out different strategies on how to get there. That's really it, but we got to have the champions.


00:18:40 Salvatrice

And our strongest supporters, Leslie, I think you've seen it, right? Our strongest supporters have been our colleagues, have been our partners, partners like LAEDC, the San Gabriel Valley Economic partnership, LA Chamber, Pasadena Bioscience Collaborative, the City of Pasadena - I can go on and on and on.


00:19:01 Salvatrice

And why? Because we're all serving our community, so there's no need to compete. There's a greater need to integrate. There's a greater need - and not to use the word "collaborate" loosely; everyone and anyone can collaborate. But how do you implement, how do you execute? You do that when you start actually formulating integration.


00:19:23 Salvatrice

The state is looking in that direction, which makes it a little easier for us at ground level as institutions. Between the federal government, the state, and then us here, locally. As I shared earlier, we're in a really unique position that it's welcomed and it's refreshing, I think, to even the students that we serve and our community members that we serve, that we're not of afraid to really examine things and do things a little bit differently.


00:19:55 Leslie

That was great. I'd like to think ahead a little bit, touching on some of the things that you already brought up in the beginning. What do you hope to accomplish as the Vice President of Economic and Workforce Development, specifically the overarching goals you have for the division as a whole, and then what goals you have for each area under your leadership.


00:20:15 Salvatrice

That's a very big question, Ms . Thompson. I'm not going to be shy and say that big picture, the overarching goal is really to have a workforce development hub, a one-stop-shop, for lack of better terms. A Place where community goes, and in one location, they can get business assistance for their small business, for their venture. They can access new talent, they can capture trainings for their existing talent, they can take courses that leads them to higher-wage occupations.


00:20:57 Salvatrice

Our students can have internship experiences with all, really all players here and all employers here in the space - really a centralized location for all of this work to happen. And I'm proud to say that it's not just a wishlist on my part, but it's also the intentions of the college. And specifically, our president's vision to have a centralized location, a workforce hub that demonstrates the integration that I was talking about earlier, where our community members know exactly where to go, our students know exactly where to go, our advocators know exactly where to go.


00:21:45 Salvatrice

You know, so just a centralized hub for workforce development is where we want to go. So, when I think about the pillars, like each pillar, each one of the pillars in economic workforce development would reside in that space and their work would be magnified and amplified.


00:22:00 Salvatrice

I see PCC extension expanding into more the workforce, customized training. I see the Freeman Center having a satellite location in each of the satellite campuses. I see the small business development center having satellite locations as well, but I also see them as regional leaders in this space.


00:22:25 Salvatrice

I also see for SBDC, an Entrepreneurship Center here in the Colorado campus. I see work-based learning expanding into not only the credit side, but non-credit even further embedded within our workforce development system and board, our workforce development board.


00:22:51 Salvatrice

I see a customized training, a workforce training center where employers can come in and discuss and figure out ... well, we could figure out training specifically for their employees in a very customized approach. I see us amplifying the work with our ETP program. I see us being a training site. There's so much, there's so much that's possible and we're slowly but surely getting there, I think.


00:23:20 Salvatrice

But now, is the time to really kind of centralize that focus in that space. And when we talk about the future of work, this podcast is about the future of work. In order for us to excel, to be leaders in t his space o r future of work, we also have to make it easier for our community to engage with us in order to prepare them for the future of work.


00:23:49 Salvatrice

So, the less barriers to entry, right? The more we can bring those down, then the easier it is for us to be change agents in the space of future of work. The future of work changes constantly. I mean, when we think about even us 10 years ago, LA county 10 years ago - it's not the same LA county now. Pasadena 10 years ago is not the same Pasadena 10 years ago - I would even say five years ago.


00:24:16 Salvatrice

So, in order for us to be ... maybe touching back on a little bit of what you said earlier about relevancy and being nimble and accessible, well, we all also have to have our space, our physical space has to represent that too. Can you even imagine, I mean here I am, an employer, well, where do I go? There's so many points of entry as an employer.


00:24:38 Leslie



00:24:38 Salvatrice

We need one point of entry to our college. And then it's up to us to create the services for them . It's up to us to demonstrate what is possible and what they can leverage with us as an institution. That's where we're headed, that's where we're headed. And I don't wanna say, "Oh, this is big picture five years from now." I work in two to three-year increments. I would say that this is a two-year mark. That's where I wanna be. That's where we should be if we really want to scale and amplify this work.


00:25:10 Leslie

So, what I'm hearing is we've got a lot of stuff to do.


00:25:14 Salvatrice

Yes, we do.


00:25:15 Leslie

That's all I'm hearing, is like that's a lot of work.


00:25:18 Salvatrice

Yes, it is a lot of work, welcome.


00:25:20 Leslie

Yes, well, thanks. I think it's great. And one of the reasons I was really excited to actually guest host and interview you is because I know a few things, not just some of the stuff we're talking about. But I know how hard you work, I know what kind of visionary you are. I know some of the barriers you've had to overcome to get where you are. And you talked a little bit about barriers in the last response, and I just wanted to kind of address that again.


00:25:48 Leslie

Because I think that eliminating barriers is key in every single thing we do, at every point of contact. Not just for employers, but for students, for employees. At every point of contact, every group that we hope to benefit through our work, there needs to be this component of eliminating barriers.


00:26:07 Leslie

And I know that you know personally what it's like to have to overcome barriers. And I wondered if you could reflect on that a little bit, maybe discuss some of the barriers you've had to overcome and how those experiences helped you form your own approach towards eliminating barriers for others.


00:26:24 Salvatrice

Again, another loaded question, Ms. Thompson, thank you.


00:26:27 Leslie

You're welcome.


00:26:27 Salvatrice

Gosh, where do I start? Well, perhaps, I should start with first-gen, English was not my first language. And I'm not unique ... clearly, that's not unique to me alone. But I do have to say that as a product of immigrant parents, it was very clear to me that if I wanted to make a mark, I need to work really, really hard. And that goes true for everybody.


00:26:56 Salvatrice

But maybe there might be listeners where this resonates, but I witnessed the barriers that might parents faced in workforce. I witnessed the barriers that they faced just navigating this world, this state, this anything. I also witnessed family members, including my own, my own family members that were entrepreneurs. That in order to survive in this space, because they didn't fit in the workforce, traditional workforce, they created their own.


00:27:30 Salvatrice

I witnessed the trials and tribulations, I was part of it. And so, when I think about witnessing my parents navigate this world, witnessing my brothers navigate this world, witnessing my family members navigate this world, for me, by the time I came along, not only was I in it and I witnessed everything, but it was also very clear to me that I had to be of service to the community.


00:27:57 Salvatrice

I took it really personal, actually. I took it personal that I needed to look at this system of business, of entrepreneurship, of workforce development, through the lens of a business owner, through the lens of an immigrant family, through the lens of ... fill in the bank. And for me, that was really telling as I navigate through my career and being a witness to it all of the trials and tribulations that not only my family faced, but just being in workforce development.


00:28:37 Salvatrice

When it comes to developing programs, when it comes to solving problems internally and externally, when it comes to ... fill in the blank - my approach is I look through the lens of what are the barriers first? Not only just, yes, this is what's possible, this is the problem we can solve, and here's a solution to that problem, but in the upfront , what are the barriers that we're going to face?


00:29:03 Salvatrice

Are we going to face transportation issues? Are we going to face funding issues? Are we going to face barriers to entry? Are we going to face ... and just kind of filling/there's so many barriers to this space. But I think for my own barriers, like my own personal barriers that I've witnessed ... I'm not young now, Leslie , I need to tell you that. I'm not young right now.


00:29:27 Leslie

Okay, alright, thank you for clarifying.


00:29:28 Salvatrice

Yeah, but when I entered this space, it was "You're too young, you don't get it. You don't understand. How could you possibly know?"


00:29:37 Leslie

You're just a girl.


00:29:38 Salvatrice

You're just a girl, yeah. So, because this space of economic workforce development is predominantly male when I first started. Now, it's it's changed. I mean, it's only been like eight years, let's be honest. But even in that eight years, it's changed dramatically. And I love that. I absolutely love that.


00:29:59 Salvatrice

And the biggest, I guess, tool, the biggest saving grace in facing the obstacles and the barriers, not only personally, but professionally, has always been about curiosity, constantly curious. And that's my advice to students. That's my advice to other professionals in this space. Like let's be more curious about what is possible. Let's be more curious about problem-solving and finding solutions. Let's be more curious about what is possible and what solutions can we solve.


00:30:37 Salvatrice

And I think that that's kind of what's always been my saving grace, is going back to A, being of service: B, being curious: C, I would have to say totally being competitive because that's just who I am, just competitive with myself, by the way. And D, just having a lot of pride, just having a lot of pride in this space, having a lot of pride in the work.


00:31:02 Leslie

Well, speaking of being curious, how can people get involved in the work we do? Some of our partners, educators, policymakers, individuals, students that are listening - how can the listener get involved in some of the things you're talking about and express their curiosity for solving these problems?


00:31:19 Salvatrice

How they can really get involved is to first maybe, personally, assess like what do I bring to the table? Am I bringing a resource? Am I bringing talent? Am I bringing treasure? Am I bringing time? You know, what do I, as someone who wants to be involved in this space, like what do I bring?


00:31:40 Salvatrice

We are acknowledging and we are demonstrating the opportunities in this region. And so, in order to fulfill those opportunities, in order to seize those opportunities, we definitely need partners, we're always looking for employers to help guide curriculum. We're always looking for employers to help house new talent via internships, via job placement, via other work-based learning experiences.


00:32:12 Salvatrice

We are always looking for employers to sit in our advisory committees. We're always looking for employers just to simply share, like talk to us what's happening, what is the pulse not only within your establishment, but within the city that you serve, within the industry that you are in.


00:32:31 Salvatrice

We're also looking for students - students to tell us what they care about, what barriers are they facing? How are we better serving? Or how can we best serve our students? How could we be of better support to our faculty members? Like share that information.


00:32:49 Salvatrice

So, the long answer to that is what I just shared. The short answer is we are constantly, we are in a constant state of improvement, right? Like that's just the way we operate at EWD . If it's not working, let's fix it. And if it is, let's do more of it. But in order to understand if we're doing it right, we need feedback.


00:33:14 Salvatrice

So, if there's ideas that are kind of percolating out there amongst faculty members , great, share with us. If there's ideas even among students about their own entrepreneurial spirit, about their own career trajectory, about their own aspirations and curiosities, come to us. If employers need assistance in some capacity or could be of service to our institution, please come to us.


00:33:40 Salvatrice

So, there's many, many ways to be involved. I would just say to the listener, I think if you're curious about this work and how you can engage, just reach reach out directly to myself. And I'm sure that information will be in the show notes.


00:33:55 Salvatrice

And if anyone wants to align with our community college, I'm always happy to listen and always happy to see if there's a natural fit. And there's always going to be a natural fit. We're higher education, that's what we're here to do.


00:34:10 Leslie

Excellent. Well, I want to thank you for taking the time to sit with us today, to actually sit in the hot seat and let me host and interview you.


00:34:19 Salvatrice

Thank you.


00:34:20 Leslie

It's been totally my honor. And thank you also for the leadership you provide in this space, congratulate you again on your post as Vice President of Economic and Workforce Development. I think it's pretty awesome. And I think our listeners are kind of getting the idea that you do a lot of stuff besides host this podcast. So, there's a lot going on.


00:34:41 Salvatrice

There sure is.


00:34:41 Leslie

And I'm super excited not just about the future of work, but the future of our work here at PCC. And I'm here for it, sign me up. And so, thank you again for spending the time with us.


00:34:53 Salvatrice

Thank you.


00:34:54 Salvatrice

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00:35:16 Salvatrice

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